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Signal: runs on a phone, runs on a laptop. Great stickers. Encrypted.

Move your group from WhatsApp today!

(XMPP advocates arriving in 5 .. 4... 3... 2...)

(Yes, I am interested in XMPP. Please can you point me at apps for iOS and Android and desktop that are as fast to setup as signal and also have stickers and are encrypted and I will definitely install it and start annoying all my friends to install it forthwith.)

Green and Black Cross's "know your rights" training literally just told us not to discuss protests on WhatsApp.

One tactics cops use is to make friendly chat and then it gets psychologically much more difficult to just cut them off and stop answering.

When you are just making jokes on WhatsApp and the talk turns more serious, it's very hard at the moment somebody is disclosing their worst fears or whatever to interrupt them to ask them to move platforms. The best way to be a good friend is to not use WhatsApp at all.

Facebook work for the police. Facebook are the police. They will hold everything they can against you in whatever way maximises their profit. If you have WhatsApp on your phone, you can use it to delete your account and then erase the app from your phone.

Ok, in honour of the dogged insistence of XMPP enthusiasts, I am giving (another) try of the Conversations app.

I've forgotten my previous identity, but feel free to message me at celesteh@conversations.im

Sign up was painless, but I have zero contacts here.

@celesteh We had a friend that we moved to Signal, in part because trying to explain to her how to use XMPP was just going to be nightmare fuel.

We still use XMPP, but until the onboarding is as easy as using Quicksy it's a non-starter.

@celesteh I remember warning ravers off FB about 15 years ago when I saw the Chief Superintendent of a local constabulary with his own personal page *and* links to his family (in the days when all these were public pages) - I don't think the man was daft and even though social media was in its early days he would have had at least /some/ cybersecurity training; it clearly showed that FB was considered a "safe space" for officers...

@celesteh Android: Conversations (where you can setup a XMPP account too) or Cheogram.
Desktop: Gajim (multiplatform) or Dino (Linux).

@celesteh It used to be as simple as having a gmail address, but that was back when "dont' be evil" was still a thing at #Google since then the easiest way I know to set up new is to create account at mov.im I honestly thought "stickers" meant they would send you stickers via snail mail, apparently that's like fancy emojis, which it apears Mov.im supports when I just logged into my account and clicked STICKERS

@fu After the revolution, not only will accounts be free but they will post physical stickers to their users, just for fun.

@celesteh @celesteh I don't remember from where but I do recall some free online service I signed up for that did that, but right now all I can think is the FSF stickers I paid for and the GitHub stickers they gave away at #PenguiCon

@celesteh last time i checked i could only use it on laptop if i already had it on phone. I didn't have a smart phone. This was 2 years ago, hopefully they improved this since then.

(same issue with whatsapp back then, but i could use telegram without needing a smart phone)

@Corina

I know some folks who use signal desktop only, so that does seem to be an option.

As far as I can tell, what's app requires you to use it on a smart phone once a fortnight or they turn off your desktop access. Their FAQ is obfuscated in that they will only show you answers related to the platform you use to hit their web page, so I can't say for sure.

@celesteh i have a smartphone since last december, and signal was the first app i installed. So not an issue for me anymore. Still hoping there are many ways to (safely, privately) communicate without smartphone, since I don't want to feel 'forced by society' to use one.

@Corina @celesteh it is not intended to change this. Signal needs a phone.

@bastian @Corina

I know somebody using it via laptop who's only phone is a nokia brick phone!!

@waweic

I know at least one person who says they run it this way.

@celesteh @waweic you can't sign up without a cell phone number and you need to prove the PC is yours by photoing the QR code on screen with a phone using that phone number.

@fu @waweic

So of you have a friend with a smart phone and you have a SIM card, you could do this one time and its sorted out for the long term?

This doesn't seem ideal, tbh.

@waweic @celesteh I think so? I'm not sure how often they make you do that again, like they make you enter your PIN regularly on the same device to make sure you haven't forgotten.

Granted #Signal is #FreeSoftware so you could fork it, if you are into that kind of thing.

@fu
@waweic @celesteh

Mhhh.. Never had this on the computer. Only one the smartphone I'm always asked for the security pin. 🤣
#signal

@fu @celesteh Moxie Marlinspike hates forks so much he announced he would block any forks from connecting to their servers and sue them if they call themselves anything that has "Signal" in the name iirc

@fu @celesteh Wait until something changes, basically.

And regularly set up some sort of signal to Matrix / XMPP / Whatever bridge, fail to maintain it and forget that it exists while missing all messages that I get on it

@celesteh also make sure to sign up for monthly subscription, if you can afford it. Add free does not mean cost free. If no one pays developers, a broken #Signal might turn into what heartbleed was for enterprises, but average citizens.

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