Why the hell aren't there free public showers?
How are you supposed to say you care what happens to the homeless if you aren't providing this service? We're at a point where "not getting hired for hygiene" is just code for "we don't hire people who aren't financially stable enough already to have their own private hygiene facilities".
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Like, not just the fully homeless, either, and it's not just jobs - I was ostracized as a kid for poor hygiene because I lived in a squat with no running water. I tried to poor as much bottled water on myself as I could, but you can only accomplish so much within that framework. Ruined years of my life. I might have at least survived better with that service.
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@V Same ostracization, different root cause: I grew up with a single mom living paycheck to paycheck after my emotionally-abusive "dad" left with his tech-sector income, and sometimes the water would be shut off for non-payment because the money just wasn't there. It lasted well into my late teenage years.
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@V Also bathrooms in big cities. It makes me so mad when people talk about a city being dirty or unhygienic and it's because whole groups of people are being denied their right to have a private clean place to use the freaking bathroom.
Everyone is worried about the city and not the people who are being disadvantaged and discriminated against
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depending on the location there may be beach and or camp showers
depending on financial capability, getting a gym membership, just to use the showers
there is also dryless hygine, like dry shampo and baby wipes
ive seen a few moblie showers (There needs to be a lot more of these)
all of these dont really compare to what the romans and greeks had which was some sort of public bath
also doesnt compare to having a private shower :(
There are a few problems that combine: security (answer: expensive surveillance and patrols), privacy (yeah, not easy with the required level of security), and if they are lockable, they become a destination for all sorts of misbehaviour. An analogous problem with public bathrooms in Seattle was people using them to do smack, and being found passed out or dying in them.
So, basically, you have expensive facilities paid for by people who don't need them.
@V I should add that in places where the population tends to care, you get things like missions and halfway houses and so on that do offer sanitation facilities, but a lot of the folks on the street object to many of their rules, such as strict sobriety.
It's not a problem with a clean solution.
@V If you get into the economics of it, you need to align the interests of the users of the facilities with the providers. They don't have to be the same people, but the users should come to it with some degree of responsibility for the outcome.
@V From what I've heard, the major issue is sanitation - even in very regularly cleaned places that have showers (eg pools/aquatic centres) there are serious issues with the spread of fungal and bacterial pathogens.
And apparently it's not solved by more frequent cleaning; even showers with automated cleaning cycles after each patron have issues with eradicating pathogens completely.
(Though, I honestly do wonder if there's such a thing as a pathogen-free shower. Like, anywhere.)
@snailerotica @V Yup, sounds like it :/ but with a robot that just sprays soapy water and then hot water and uses a fan to dry everything and calls it clean (as opposed to a human who can clean it properly and use different approaches to remove mould, soap scum, etc)
Unfortunately, because human cleaners would have to be paid, most cities won't do it unless the showers are paid access...which doesn't solve the issue at all.
@V Free public showers are definitely an unintentional benefit of living on the coast near beaches.
@V I mean "reliable transportation" already is code for "have a personal vehicle that isn't breaking down Or Else"
@V the reality is that many would just prefer that the homeless found somewhere to quietly die. This is why addicts are strung along on methadone etc often for years, and very frequently relapse. Of course, whilst they remain homeless addicts, those working in "support services" have a nice workload which validates their employment as such. Can't tax the homeless, not directly, at least.